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Who Manufactured the "Tour Model III Evolution" Clubs?

By Angera , April 24, 2011 in Clubs, Grips, Shafts, Fitting

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For maybe 13 years, I've had a set of irons that are "Tour Model III Evolution". Does anyone have any idea who manufactured them?

Knowing what I know now, I bet they are probably knockoffs of Pings or something like that. They've actually have help up quite well, except for the 7 iron which met its demise a few years back. I bought them used, if I recall correctly.

Just random curiosity.

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After a quick Google search, my guess it that yes, they were knockoffs or component heads for a golf chain (like Golf Smith). Glad to hear they held up for 13 years!

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Thanks. I tried the ol Google, but didn't find anything.

• 11 months later...

Did you ever find out who makes the tour model III evolution irons.  i have a whole set that was handed down by my father. i have had them for about i have had them for 13 yrs as well and would like to sell them or at least find out how much they are worth on the pga value guide. thanks for you help

• 8 months later...

I have the Tour Model III.  What these two inquirers are asking is solved in the name of "Ben Hogan."  The orginal grips, which I have, are "Ben Hogan" "Exclusive Design Hogan."  Ben Hogan started his own golf company decades ago.  I never head what became of it as far as how long it lasted or whatever, but if anything, the newer Pings, as you suggested were originals that the Hogans were knockoffs is likely the reverse.  Hogan designed some great clubs and once in a great while you'll see a set of "Tour Model III "Red Dot" Evolution clubs for aroun $300.  That is what they still fetch today.  I hope that this is the beginning of a helpful answer and I hope that the old times who have a lot of head knowledge of the Hogan days can fill in the blanks.

According to some online aucions, the shaft was manufactured, at least for a while, by Brunswick, U. S. A.

• 4 years later...

Tour Model irons have been around for about 30 years. There are small shops and individuals who put together their own clubs and these heads are a PING knock-off style that comes, or at least came if they are still made, from China. One of my early sets were Tour Model II Pro Trajectory that a local shop put together for me. I didn't stay with them long as the trajectory was 1 club less than what I was previously using so I had to hit a 7 iron to my old 8's distance. The quality of the metal itself I cannot comment on but metal alloys are not all the same and often manipulated. Knowing how pro-line clubs are marked up Tour Model clubs are probably well suited for average to beginner player but a tour pro would certainly tell a big difference. In most golf equipment from gloves to balls to shoes you get what you pay for. The heads can be matched with most any grip and shafts available and thus usually cost much much less than the expensive high end clubs. They aren't bad clubs, and are designed after PING's design but don't expect them to hit like PINGS. Why pay hundreds of dollars for clubs for the novice, beginner or Sunday golfer when these will certainly let you know if it's a sport you want to continue and invest more time and money into. Hope that helps and sorry it took 6 years to get you an answer.     

• 3 years later...

On 1/22/2013 at 9:51 PM, trutemper said: I have the Tour Model III.  What these two inquirers are asking is solved in the name of "Ben Hogan."  The orginal grips, which I have, are "Ben Hogan" "Exclusive Design Hogan."  Ben Hogan started his own golf company decades ago.  I never head what became of it as far as how long it lasted or whatever, but if anything, the newer Pings, as you suggested were originals that the Hogans were knockoffs is likely the reverse.  Hogan designed some great clubs and once in a great while you'll see a set of "Tour Model III "Red Dot" Evolution clubs for aroun $300.  That is what they still fetch today.  I hope that this is the beginning of a helpful answer and I hope that the old times who have a lot of head knowledge of the Hogan days can fill in the blanks.

Just bought a full set of these in great shape for 30 bucks and i'm tickled to have them.

Buckeyebowman

On 4/25/2012 at 6:30 AM, Schnabbs said: Hello Did you ever find out who makes the tour model III evolution irons.  i have a whole set that was handed down by my father. i have had them for about i have had them for 13 yrs as well and would like to sell them or at least find out how much they are worth on the pga value guide. thanks for you help

I think that any time you see words like "Tour model" on a club, you should take that like "chocolaty flavor" on a food product. What those words mean is that it's not REAL chocolate! It's some brown substance that has been flavored with chemicals that taste like chocolate! 

Was doing a search and came across this post and the dates are around that time. I bought my first set of clubs as a beginner around 1995 and sadly, it's still the same set I use today in 2020. I've only added a Driver to my original set.  I've probably played over 400 rounds with them and they are still in great shape.  From my memory they  were advertised as replica Pings. I didn't really care, they were clubs and the whole set cost me $200! I'm comfortable with them and consistently play high 80's low 90's as a casual weekend golfer.

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The US Kids Golf tagline for the Tour Series 3 is More Distance, More Forgiving, More Fun. They have achieved this with a substantive redesign of their clubs with the help of extensive Trackman Technology testing and feedback to optimize launch, distance, spin, and consistency.

US Kids Tour Series 3 / TS3 Overview

This U.S.Kids TS3 review provides technical information on the TS3 clubs as well as performance results. The clubs include redesigned and improved TS3 wedges, irons, hybrids, fairway woods and drivers. As with past US Kids golf club sets, these are available in five unique sizes for player heights 51" through 63". The Tour Series are kids golf clubs for intermediate to advanced junior golfers.

The 10 set package (Driver, 3W, 4 Hybrid, 5-9 irons, PW & SW) is on sale at Worldwide Golf Shops for $529.

The US Kids Golf tagline for these clubs is MORE DISTANCE.  MORE FORGIVING. MORE FUN. In this review of the new USKids TS3 irons we will provide club details, objective feedback on club performance Vs. the prior US Kids Golf junior clubs and also feedback from juniors trying these out on the course.

The facts and figures provided by US Kids Golf and referenced in this review are based on independent robotic testing done by Golf Laboratories Inc., an independent equipment testing company.

US Kids Golf utilized extensive Trackman Technology to test and provide input on these new junior golf clubs in order to optimize launch, distance, spin, and consistency and provide junior golfers with the best opportunity to play to the best of their ability.

The US Kids TS3 are available as a  set of kids golf clubs or as individual kids golf clubs. The sets are sold in the following configurations: (i) 8 clubs set (5 iron through SW), (ii) 10 club set (Driver through SW), (iii)  7 club set with a stand bag (Driver, 3W, Hybrid, 6i, 8i, PW, SW).

All sets and individual clubs are available in left hand or right hand options. As parents of left handed junior golfers know it is unusual to find such a wide selection of quality left hand junior golf clubs. 

The irons are available with either steel shafts or graphite shafts . The steel shafts are suited to junior golfers with slightly higher swing speeds who looking for more feel and control. The graphite shafts are slightly lighter with a softer more flexible feel.

All shafts are junior flex and are frequency matched for the clubs. A low flex point on the shafts promotes a high launch, important for lower swing speeds like most juniors have. The sets are available either in an all graphite shaft option or a combo of steel (for the irons) and graphite (for the hybrid, 3W and Driver). 

Note that US Kids also produce the Ultralight (UL) junior irons, hybrids and fairway woods for kids that are beginner to intermediate junior golfers. The UL are a lighter weight and are specifically designed as game improvement clubs for younger junior players. 

How are the US Kids TS3 different to the US Kids TS2?

• Total head weight of the irons are the same as last year's TS2 models and are scaled progressively with the 51 inch (smallest set) built to 15% lighter than adult weights (hence the V15 designation), 54 and 57 inch are 10% lighter (V10) and the 60's and 63's are only 5% less than adult head weights (V5).
• Heads have been redesigned to facilitate moving weight and thus being able to achieve a 10% Thicker/Wide Sole Design resulting in higher launch and steeper landing angle (i.e. the angle that the ball falls to the ground). Steeper landing angles help in holding greens by stopping run-out and help in getting more consistent distance control. 
• The irons also have 20% thinner face which results in higher ball speed and therefore increased distance . No need to explain why this is desirable. The combined higher ball speeds with a steeper landing angle mean hitting lower irons into greens and getting the ball to stop quickly.
• Look and feel: the clubs look great, the thicker and wider sole provides good set up and confidence. The irons feel solid and our juniors testing them were impressed with their solid feel and high ball flight. In general we saw an improvement in shots Vs. the TS 2 model. The steel shaft option was popular with our 11 year old tester.

TS3 Wedges:

US Kids Golf has improved their wedge grind system to provide optimized performance into and around the green. Spin rates have increased slightly compared to the TS2 wedges and independent robotic testing shows a roll out of 5.4 yards compared to 6.2 yards (stops almost 1 yard faster).

• Gap Wedge: 52° ★ Grind. This wedge has a full size sole to facilitate full shots into the green from the fairway or rough.
• Sand Wedge: 56° ★★ Grind. The grind on the SW has a railing edge and heelside relief to facilitate a combination of shot-making and forgiveness
• Lob wedge: 60° ★★★ Grind. The grind on this wedge's trailing edge, heelside, and toe relief is designed for ultimate versatility.

Note that some of the club sets come with a gap wedge and a sand wedge but some only have a sand wedge. Wedges can also be purchased individually so with the US Kids Golf "6th club free" program you can add a lob wedge, sand wedge or gap wedge to your junior's set. For competitive players it is highly recommended to have at least a gap wedge and sand wedge. A lob wedge is a nice addition for slightly older or experienced juniors. After all, the short game is really fun for kids and is extremely important to master for a junior competitive golfer.  

Overall the US Kids Golf TS3 wedges perform very nicely we definitely noticed an improvement in the feel and stopping distance compared to the prior TS2 series.

US Kids Golf TS3 Driver:

Like all the big golf equipment manufacturers, US Kids Golf has worked on getting more out their drivers in terms of launch angle, spin, ball speed and thus overall distance. They have managed to improve on what was already one of the top junior golf drivers on the market. Compared to the TS2, the USKids TS3 drivers have been improved by:

• Moving the CoG back thus facilitating and higher launch angle, optimal spin and thus more distance
• The driver has a  6% thinn er face , resulting in higher ball speed
• A 12% thinner crown help provide a higher launch angle, great for juniors.
• The drivers are fitted with a lighter shaft which helps generate faster swing speeds.

U.S.Kids TS3 Driver 2018

US Kids Golf TS3 Fairway Woods and Hybrids

TS3 hybrids are available in a 3 (21 degree loft) and a 4 (24 degree) hybrid. The 3 wood has a 17 degree loft. The TS3 hybrids and fairway metal have been improved through some of the same types of changes as the driver:

• Revised shaping and a repositioned COG resulting in increased forgiveness on off center hits, higher launch and longer distance..
• A thinner face resulting in higher ball speeds.
• A thinner crown resulting in higher launch angles.

US Kids Golf TS3 A.I.M. Putters

US Kids Golf have introduced 3 uniquely designed putters to help make sure that juniors are fit properly and thus make more putts. The different designs are to fit a junior's natural aiming tendency. All putters have CNC milled faces that provide a clean look and will hold up to plenty of practice as well as a few unintended bumps!

• A.I.M. 1 = Offset hosel for players that tend to aim/miss right
• A.I.M. 2 = Non-Offset hosel for players that don't have a consistent aim/miss
• A.I.M. 3 = Onset hosel for players that tend to aim/miss left

(Note - if your junior is left handed, A.I.M. 1 and 3 will switch)

USKids 2018 A.I.M. Putters

Pricing and How to Order

• Use the US Kids golf fitting chart: see below or go to the US Kids Golf fitting page .
• Measure your player to get his/ her current height in inches.
• Determine your player's Swing Speed t o make sure they are ready for Tour Series.
• Start shopping and compare prices at the US Kids Golf equipment page  or at World Wide Golf Shops .

Prices range from $45 for a single US Kids TS3 iron to $199 for the US Kids Golf TS3 driver and up to $569 for a full set of 10 clubs with all graphite shafts and a bag.  The eight club iron/wedge set with steel shafts sells for $339, a great value for quality clubs. Overall these are very competitively priced and cost less than half that of new adult clubs. 

The US Kids Golf 10 set package (Driver, 3W, 4 Hybrid, 5-9 irons, PW & SW) is on sale at Worldwide Golf Shops (Edwin Watts and Roger Dunn Shops) for $529.

Refer to the US Kids Golf fitting chart below and click on it to go to the US Kids Golf fitting page in order to determine the right size junior golf clubs for your junior golfer. Before moving your junior from the US Kids Ultra Light golf clubs to the US Kids Tour Series clubs, look at the fitting guide chart on swing speeds as this is a good indicator of when a junior is ready to move to the Tour Series.

If you have a junior golfer that is an intermediate to advanced player, is in the height and swing speed range on the US Kids Golf fitting chart and especially if they are playing, or considering playing, in junior golf tournaments , you should seriously consider the US Kids Golf TS3 clubs. They are very competitively priced and certainly the best quality you can buy in the price range.

Let us know if this review was helpful and what other types of junior equipment reviews or informational posts you would like to see!

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Everything You Need to Know About Tour Model Golf Clubs

If you’re a golf enthusiast, you’ve likely heard the term tour model golf clubs tossed around on the green. But what exactly are they, and how do they differ from standard golf clubs? In short, tour model golf clubs are professional-grade clubs designed for the serious golfer who demands the highest level of precision and control from their equipment. In this article, we’ll take a closer look at what sets tour model golf clubs apart, their advantages, and how to choose the right set for your game.

One of the key advantages of tour model golf clubs is their ability to offer greater customization options, allowing golfers to fine-tune their equipment to match their specific swing and style. But with so many options available, choosing the right set of tour model clubs can be overwhelming. That’s why we’ll also cover what to look for when selecting tour model golf clubs , including clubhead design, shaft options, and more. By the end of this article, you’ll have all the information you need to take your game to the next level with tour model golf clubs .

The History of Tour Golf Clubs

The roots of tour golf clubs date back to the early 20th century, when the sport of golf began to gain popularity around the world. As golfers became more serious about their game, they began to demand higher-quality clubs that could withstand the rigors of regular use. This led to the development of the first tour model golf clubs , which were designed specifically for professional golfers.

Over the years, tour golf clubs have continued to evolve and improve, with advances in materials, design, and technology. Today’s tour model golf clubs are made from high-tech materials like titanium and carbon fiber, and feature advanced design features like adjustable weights and customizable hosel settings.

The Evolution of Tour Golf Clubs

• Hickory shafts: The first golf clubs were made with hickory shafts, which were durable and flexible, but also heavy and prone to warping.
• Steel shafts: In the 1930s, steel shafts began to replace hickory shafts as the material of choice for golf clubs , offering greater durability and consistency.
• Graphite shafts: Graphite shafts were introduced in the 1970s, offering even greater durability and a lighter weight for increased swing speed.

The Impact of Technology on Tour Golf Clubs

Advancements in technology have played a major role in the evolution of tour golf clubs , with new materials and design features pushing the boundaries of what’s possible on the golf course. Some of the key technological advances that have impacted tour golf clubs include:

• Titanium: The introduction of titanium into golf club design allowed manufacturers to create larger clubheads with thinner faces, resulting in increased ball speed and distance.
• Adjustable weights: Many modern tour golf clubs feature adjustable weights that allow golfers to fine-tune the balance and feel of their clubs for maximum performance.
• Customizable hosel settings: With adjustable hosel settings, golfers can adjust the loft and lie of their clubs to match their swing and ball flight preferences.

Today’s tour model golf clubs are the result of decades of innovation and refinement, and continue to push the limits of what’s possible on the golf course. Whether you’re a professional golfer or just looking to take your game to the next level, a set of tour model golf clubs can help you achieve your goals and play your best.

The Advantages of Using a Tour Model Golf Club

A Tour Model golf club is a premium golf club designed for professional golfers and serious amateurs. The design, quality, and materials used in the manufacturing process set them apart from regular golf clubs . Here are some advantages of using a Tour Model golf club.

Durability: Tour Model golf clubs are built to last. They are made from high-quality materials and are designed to withstand the rigors of professional use. The shafts are made from graphite or steel, which is strong and durable. The heads of the clubs are made from materials such as titanium, which is lightweight, durable, and provides maximum power and distance.

Customization: Tour Model golf clubs are designed to be customized to the individual golfer’s specifications. This means that the length, lie angle, and loft of the club can be adjusted to fit the golfer’s swing and playing style. This customization leads to greater accuracy and more consistent shots on the course.

• Clubhead Speed: Tour Model golf clubs are designed with larger sweet spots and thinner faces to maximize clubhead speed. This increased clubhead speed translates to greater distance off the tee and with fairway shots.
• Weight Distribution: The weight distribution of Tour Model golf clubs is carefully crafted to maximize distance. By moving the weight to different parts of the clubhead, manufacturers can create clubs that generate more ball speed and greater distance.
• Shaft Flex: The flex of a golf club’s shaft can also impact distance. Tour Model golf clubs often have shafts with a higher flex point, allowing for greater power and distance on shots.

Feedback: Tour Model golf clubs provide golfers with excellent feedback on their shots. The solid feel of the clubhead at impact and the sound of the shot provide golfers with information about the quality of their swing and the location of their shot on the clubface.

Comfort: Tour Model golf clubs are designed with the golfer’s comfort in mind. The grips are often made from high-quality materials that provide a comfortable and secure grip on the club. The weight and balance of the club are also carefully crafted to provide a comfortable swing and reduce the risk of injury.

In conclusion, a Tour Model golf club can offer golfers several advantages over regular golf clubs . These advantages include durability, accuracy, distance, and feel. By investing in a Tour Model golf club, golfers can improve their game and enjoy the benefits of playing with premium equipment.

Differences Between Tour Model and Standard Golf Clubs

Tour Model golf clubs are designed for advanced players, such as professional golfers, who demand a high level of performance from their equipment. In contrast, standard golf clubs are designed for average players who are just starting to play or have a low handicap. Here are some differences between the two:

Design: Tour Model golf clubs have a sleeker, more compact design than standard golf clubs. This allows for more control and precision in shot-making. Standard golf clubs , on the other hand, have a larger, more forgiving clubface that helps beginners get the ball airborne more easily.

• Tour Model: Tour Model golf clubs are made from high-quality materials, such as titanium and carbon fiber, which are both lightweight and durable. These materials allow for better feel and feedback, which is important for advanced players who need to make subtle adjustments to their swing.
• Standard: Standard golf clubs are made from cheaper materials, such as stainless steel or zinc. While these materials are durable, they do not provide the same level of feel and feedback as higher-end materials.

Customization:

Tour Model golf clubs can be custom-fitted to a player’s specific swing characteristics, such as swing speed, angle of attack, and ball flight. This ensures that the player is getting the most out of their equipment and can optimize their performance on the course. Standard golf clubs are generally not customizable, which can be a disadvantage for players with unique swing characteristics.

In conclusion, the differences between Tour Model and standard golf clubs come down to design, materials, and customization options. While Tour Model golf clubs are designed for advanced players and provide better performance, standard golf clubs are more forgiving and easier to use for beginners. Choosing the right type of golf club depends on the player’s skill level, swing characteristics, and personal preferences.

How to Choose the Right Tour Model Golf Club for You

If you’re considering investing in a tour model golf club, it’s important to choose the right one to suit your needs. Here are some factors to consider when making your decision:

Handicap Level: Consider your skill level and handicap when choosing a tour model golf club. Advanced players may benefit from a more specialized club, while beginner or intermediate players may find a standard club more suitable.

Swing Style: Consider your swing style and the type of shots you prefer. Some tour model clubs are designed for specific swing styles or shot types, so choose one that complements your natural swing.

Factors to Consider When Choosing a Tour Model Golf Club:

• Clubhead: Tour model clubs generally have smaller clubheads and a lower center of gravity, which can provide more control and precision.
• Shaft: Consider the flex, weight, and material of the shaft. A stiffer shaft may provide more control, while a lighter shaft can increase swing speed. Graphite shafts are popular for their lightweight and vibration dampening properties.
• Grip: The grip can affect your swing and control of the club. Consider the material, size, and texture of the grip when choosing a tour model golf club.

Budget: Tour model golf clubs can be more expensive than standard clubs. Consider your budget when choosing a club and prioritize the features that are most important to your game.

Tips for Trying Out Tour Model Golf Clubs:

• Visit a Fitting Center: A fitting center can help you find the right tour model club for your swing and body type.
• Try Out Different Clubs: Test out different clubs to find the one that feels the most comfortable and provides the best results for your swing style.
• Consider Customization: Many tour model golf clubs can be customized to fit your specific needs and preferences.

By considering these factors and trying out different tour model golf clubs , you can find the perfect club to improve your game and enhance your playing experience.

Caring for Your Tour Model Golf Clubs

If you’re a dedicated golfer, your golf clubs are some of your most valuable possessions. Proper care can ensure that your tour model golf clubs perform at their best and last for years to come. Here are some tips to help you care for your clubs:

Clean your clubs after each round

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While talks for a cease-fire between israel and hamas continue, another set of negotiations is happening behind the scenes..

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From New York Times, I’m Michael Barbaro. This is The Daily.

[MUSIC CONTINUES]

Today, if and when Israel and Hamas reach a deal for a ceasefire fire, the United States will immediately turn to a different set of negotiations over a grand diplomatic bargain that it believes could rebuild Gaza and remake the Middle East. My colleague Michael Crowley has been reporting on that plan and explains why those involved in it believe they have so little time left to get it done.

It’s Wednesday, May 8.

Michael, I want to start with what feels like a pretty dizzying set of developments in this conflict over the past few days. Just walk us through them?

Well, over the weekend, there was an intense round of negotiations in an effort, backed by the United States, to reach a ceasefire in the Gaza war.

The latest ceasefire proposal would reportedly see as many as 33 Israeli hostages released in exchange for potentially hundreds of Palestinian prisoners.

US officials were very eager to get this deal.

Pressure for a ceasefire has been building ahead of a threatened Israeli assault on Rafah.

Because Israel has been threatening a military offensive in the Southern Palestinian city of Rafah, where a huge number of people are crowded.

Fleeing the violence to the North. And now they’re packed into Rafah. Exposed and vulnerable, they need to be protected.

And the US says it would be a humanitarian catastrophe on top of the emergency that’s already underway.

Breaking news this hour — very important breaking news. An official Hamas source has told The BBC that it does accept a proposal for a ceasefire deal in Gaza.

And for a few hours on Monday, it looked like there might have been a major breakthrough when Hamas put out a statement saying that it had accepted a negotiating proposal.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says the ceasefire proposal does not meet his country’s requirements. But Netanyahu says he will send a delegation of mediators to continue those talks. Now, the terms —

But those hopes were dashed pretty quickly when the Israelis took a look at what Hamas was saying and said that it was not a proposal that they had agreed to. It had been modified.

And overnight —

Israeli troops stormed into Rafah. Video showing tanks crashing over a sign at the entrance of the city.

— the Israelis launched a partial invasion of Rafah.

It says Hamas used the area to launch a deadly attack on Israeli troops over the weekend.

And they have now secured a border crossing at the Southern end of Gaza and are conducting targeted strikes. This is not yet the full scale invasion that President Biden has adamantly warned Israel against undertaking, but it is an escalation by Israel.

So while all that drama might suggest that these talks are in big trouble, these talks are very much still alive and ongoing and there is still a possibility of a ceasefire deal.

And the reason that’s so important is not just to stop the fighting in Gaza and relieve the suffering there, but a ceasefire also opens the door to a grand diplomatic bargain, one that involves Israel and its Arab neighbors and the Palestinians, and would have very far-reaching implications.

And what is that grand bargain. Describe what you’re talking about?

Well, it’s incredibly ambitious. It would reshape Israel’s relationship with its Arab neighbors, principally Saudi Arabia. But it’s important to understand that this is a vision that has actually been around since well before October 7. This was a diplomatic project that President Biden had been investing in and negotiating actually in a very real and tangible way long before the Hamas attacks and the Gaza war.

And President Biden was looking to build on something that President Trump had done, which was a series of agreements that the Trump administration struck in which Israel and some of its Arab neighbors agreed to have normal diplomatic relations for the first time.

Right, they’re called the Abraham Accords.

That’s right. And, you know, Biden doesn’t like a lot of things, most things that Trump did. But he actually likes this, because the idea is that they contribute to stability and economic integration in the Middle East, the US likes Israel having friends and likes having a tight-knit alliance against Iran.

President Biden agrees with the Saudis and with the Israelis, that Iran is really the top threat to everybody here. So, how can you build on this? How can you expand it? Well, the next and biggest step would be normalizing relations between Israel and Saudi Arabia.

And the Saudis have made clear that they want to do this and that they’re ready to do this. They weren’t ready to do it in the Trump years. But Mohammed bin Salman, the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, has made clear he wants to do it now.

So this kind of triangular deal began to take shape before October 7, in which the US, Israel, and Saudi Arabia would enter this three way agreement in which everyone would get something that they wanted.

And just walk through what each side gets in this pre-October 7th version of these negotiations?

So for Israel, you get normalized ties with its most important Arab neighbor and really the country that sets the tone for the whole Muslim world, which is Saudi Arabia of course. It makes Israel feel safer and more secure. Again, it helps to build this alliance against Iran, which Israel considers its greatest threat, and it comes with benefits like economic ties and travel and tourism. And Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has been very open, at least before October 7th, that this was his highest diplomatic and foreign policy priority.

For the Saudis, the rationale is similar when it comes to Israel. They think that it will bring stability. They like having a more explicitly close ally against Iran. There are economic and cultural benefits. Saudi Arabia is opening itself up in general, encouraging more tourism.

But I think that what’s most important to the Crown Prince, Mohammed bin Salman, is what he can get from the United States. And what he has been asking for are a couple of essential things. One is a security agreement whose details have always been a little bit vague, but I think essentially come down to reliable arms supplies from the United States that are not going to be cut off or paused on a whim, as he felt happened when President Biden stopped arms deliveries in 2021 because of how Saudi was conducting its war in Yemen. The Saudis were furious about that.

Saudi Arabia also wants to start a domestic nuclear power program. They are planning for a very long-term future, possibly a post-oil future. And they need help getting a nuclear program off the ground.

And they want that from the US?

And they want that from the US.

Now, those are big asks from the us. But from the perspective of President Biden, there are some really enticing things about this possible agreement. One is that it will hopefully produce more stability in the region. Again, the US likes having a tight-knit alliance against Iran.

The US also wants to have a strong relationship with Saudi Arabia. You know, despite the anger at Mohammed bin Salman over the murder of the Saudi dissident Jamal Khashoggi, the Biden administration recognizes that given the Saudis control over global oil production and their strategic importance in the Middle East, they need to have a good relationship with them. And the administration has been worried about the influence of China in the region and with the Saudis in particular.

So this is an opportunity for the US to draw the Saudis closer. Whatever our moral qualms might be about bin Salman and the Saudi government, this is an opportunity to bring the Saudis closer, which is something the Biden administration sees as a strategic benefit.

All three of these countries — big, disparate countries that normally don’t see eye-to-eye, this was a win-win-win on a military, economic, and strategic front.

That’s right. But there was one important actor in the region that did not see itself as winning, and that was the Palestinians.

[MUSIC PLAYING]

First, it’s important to understand that the Palestinians have always expected that the Arab countries in the Middle East would insist that Israel recognize a Palestinian state before those countries were willing to essentially make total peace and have normal relations with Israel.

So when the Abraham Accords happened in the Trump administration, the Palestinians felt like they’d been thrown under the bus because the Abraham Accords gave them virtually nothing. But the Palestinians did still hold out hope that Saudi Arabia would be their savior. And for years, Saudi Arabia has said that Israel must give the Palestinians a state if there’s going to be a normal relationship between Israel and Saudi Arabia.

Now the Palestinians see the Saudis in discussions with the US and Israel about a normalization agreement, and there appears to be very little on offer for the Palestinians. And they are feeling like they’re going to be left out in the cold here.

Right. And in the minds of the Palestinians, having already been essentially sold out by all their other Arab neighbors, the prospect that Saudi Arabia, of all countries, the most important Muslim Arab country in the region, would sell them out, had to be extremely painful.

It was a nightmare scenario for them. And in the minds of many analysts and US officials, this was a factor, one of many, in Hamas’s decision to stage the October 7th attacks.

Hamas, like other Palestinian leaders, was seeing the prospect that the Middle East was moving on and essentially, in their view, giving up on the Palestinian cause, and that Israel would be able to have friendly, normal relations with Arab countries around the region, and that it could continue with hardline policies toward the Palestinians and a refusal, as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said publicly, to accept a Palestinian state.

Right. So Michael, once Hamas carries out the October 7th attacks in an effort to destroy a status quo that it thinks is leaving them less and less relevant, more and more hopeless, including potentially this prospect that Saudi Arabia is going to normalize relations with Israel, what happens to these pre-October 7th negotiations between the US, Saudi Arabia, and Israel?

Well, I think there was a snap assumption that these talks were dead and buried. That they couldn’t possibly survive a cataclysm like this.

But then something surprising happened. It became clear that all the parties were still determined to pull-off the normalization.

And most surprisingly of all, perhaps, was the continued eagerness of Saudi Arabia, which publicly was professing outrage over the Israeli response to the Hamas attacks, but privately was still very much engaged in these conversations and trying to move them forward.

And in fact, what has happened is that the scope of this effort has grown substantially. October 7th didn’t kill these talks. It actually made them bigger, more complicated, and some people would argue, more important than ever.

We’ll be right back.

Michael, walk us through what exactly happens to these three-way negotiations after October 7th that ends up making them, as you just said, more complicated and more important than ever?

Well, it’s more important than ever because of the incredible need in Gaza. And it’s going to take a deal like this and the approval of Saudi Arabia to unlock the kind of massive reconstruction project required to essentially rebuild Gaza from the rubble. Saudi Arabia and its Arab friends are also going to be instrumental in figuring out how Gaza is governed, and they might even provide troops to help secure it. None of those things are going to happen without a deal like this.

Fascinating.

But this is all much more complicated now because the price for a deal like this has gone up.

And by price, you mean?

What Israel would have to give up. [MUSIC PLAYING]

From Saudi Arabia’s perspective, you have an Arab population that is furious at Israel. It now feels like a really hard time to do a normalization deal with the Israelis. It was never going to be easy, but this is about as bad a time to do it as there has been in a generation at least. And I think that President Biden and the people around him understand that the status quo between Israel and the Palestinians is intolerable and it is going to lead to chaos and violence indefinitely.

So now you have two of the three parties to this agreement, the Saudis and the Americans, basically asking a new price after October 7th, and saying to the Israelis, if we’re going to do this deal, it has to not only do something for the Palestinians, it has to do something really big. You have to commit to the creation of a Palestinian state. Now, I’ll be specific and say that what you hear the Secretary of State, Antony Blinken, say is that the agreement has to include an irreversible time-bound path to a Palestinian state.

We don’t know exactly what that looks like, but it’s some kind of a firm commitment, the likes of which the world and certainly the Israelis have not made before.

Something that was very much not present in the pre-October 7th vision of this negotiation. So much so that, as we just talked about, the Palestinians were left feeling completely out in the cold and furious at it.

That’s right. There was no sign that people were thinking that ambitiously about the Palestinians in this deal before October 7th. And the Palestinians certainly felt like they weren’t going to get much out of it. And that has completely changed now.

So, Michael, once this big new dimension after October 7th, which is the insistence by Saudi Arabia and the US that there be a Palestinian state or a path to a Palestinian state, what is the reaction specifically from Israel, which is, of course, the third major party to this entire conversation?

Well, Israel, or at least its political leadership, hates it. You know, this is just an extremely tough sell in Israel. It would have been a tough sell before October 7th. It’s even harder now.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is completely unrepentantly open in saying that there’s not going to be a Palestinian state on his watch. He won’t accept it. He says that it’s a strategic risk to his country. He says that it would, in effect, reward Hamas.

His argument is that terrorism has forced a conversation about statehood onto the table that wasn’t there before October 7th. Sure, it’s always in the background. It’s a perennial issue in global affairs, but it was not something certainly that the US and Israel’s Arab neighbors were actively pushing. Netanyahu also has — you know, he governs with the support of very right-wing members of a political coalition that he has cobbled together. And that coalition is quite likely to fall apart if he does embrace a Palestinian state or a path to a Palestinian state.

Now, he might be able to cobble together some sort of alternative, but it creates a political crisis for him.

And finally, you know, I think in any conversation about Israel, it’s worth bearing in mind something you hear from senior US officials these days, which is that although there is often finger pointing at Netanyahu and a desire to blame Netanyahu as this obstructionist who won’t agree to deals, what they say is Netanyahu is largely reflecting his population and the political establishment of his country, not just the right-wingers in his coalition who are clearly extremist.

But actually the prevailing views of the Israeli public. And the Israeli public and their political leaders across the spectrum right now with few exceptions, are not interested in talking about a Palestinian state when there are still dozens and dozens of Israeli hostages in tunnels beneath Gaza.

So it very much looks like this giant agreement that once seemed doable before October 7th might be more important to everyone involved than ever, given that it’s a plan for rebuilding Gaza and potentially preventing future October 7th’s from happening, but because of this higher price that Israel would have to pay, which is the acceptance of a Palestinian state, it seems from everything you’re saying, that this is more and more out of reach than ever before and hard to imagine happening in the immediate future. So if the people negotiating it are being honest, Michael, are they ready to acknowledge that it doesn’t look like this is going to happen?

Well, not quite yet. As time goes by, they certainly say it’s getting harder and harder, but they’re still trying, and they still think there’s a chance. But both the Saudis and the Biden administration understand that there’s very little time left to do this.

Well, what do you mean there’s very little time left? It would seem like time might benefit this negotiation in that it might give Israel distance from October 7th to think potentially differently about a Palestinian state?

Potentially. But Saudi Arabia wants to get this deal done in the Biden administration because Mohammed bin Salman has concluded this has to be done under a Democratic president.

Because Democrats in Congress are going to be very reluctant to approve a security agreement between the United States and Saudi Arabia.

It’s important to understand that if there is a security agreement, that’s something Congress is going to have to approve. And you’re just not going to get enough Democrats in Congress to support a deal with Saudi Arabia, who a lot of Democrats don’t like to begin with, because they see them as human rights abusers.

But if a Democratic president is asking them to do it, they’re much more likely to go along.

Right. So Saudi Arabia fears that if Biden loses and Trump is president, that those same Democrats would balk at this deal in a way that they wouldn’t if it were being negotiated under President Biden?

Exactly. Now, from President Biden’s perspective, politically, think about a president who’s running for re-election, who is presiding right now over chaos in the Middle East, who doesn’t seem to have good answers for the Israeli-Palestinian question, this is an opportunity for President Biden to deliver what could be at least what he would present as a diplomatic masterstroke that does multiple things at once, including creating a new pathway for Israel and the Palestinians to coexist, to break through the logjam, even as he is also improving Israel’s relations with Saudi Arabia.

So Biden and the Crown Prince hope that they can somehow persuade Bibi Netanyahu that in spite of all the reasons that he thinks this is a terrible idea, that this is a bet worth taking on Israel’s and the region’s long-term security and future?

That’s right. Now, no one has explained very clearly exactly how this is going to work, and it’s probably going to require artful diplomacy, possibly even a scenario where the Israelis would agree to something that maybe means one thing to them and means something else to other people. But Biden officials refuse to say that it’s hopeless and they refuse to essentially take Netanyahu’s preliminary no’s for an answer. And they still see some way that they can thread this incredibly narrow needle.

Michael, I’m curious about a constituency that we haven’t been talking about because they’re not at the table in these discussions that we are talking about here. And that would be Hamas. How does Hamas feel about the prospect of such a deal like this ever taking shape. Do they see it as any kind of a victory and vindication for what they did on October 7th?

So it’s hard to know exactly what Hamas’s leadership is thinking. I think they can feel two things. I think they can feel on the one hand, that they have established themselves as the champions of the Palestinian people who struck a blow against Israel and against a diplomatic process that was potentially going to leave the Palestinians out in the cold.

At the same time, Hamas has no interest in the kind of two-state solution that the US is trying to promote. They think Israel should be destroyed. They think the Palestinian state should cover the entire geography of what is now Israel, and they want to lead a state like that. And that’s not something that the US, Saudi Arabia, or anyone else is going to tolerate.

So what Hamas wants is to fight, to be the leader of the Palestinian people, and to destroy Israel. And they’re not interested in any sort of a peace process or statehood process.

It seems very clear from everything you’ve said here that neither Israel nor Hamas is ready to have the conversation about a grand bargain diplomatic program. And I wonder if that inevitably has any bearing on the ceasefire negotiations that are going on right now between the two of them that are supposed to bring this conflict to some sort of an end, even if it’s just temporary?

Because if, as you said, Michael, a ceasefire opens the door to this larger diplomatic solution, and these two players don’t necessarily want that larger diplomatic solution, doesn’t that inevitably impact their enthusiasm for even reaching a ceasefire?

Well, it certainly doesn’t help. You know, this is such a hellish problem. And of course, you first have the question of whether Israel and Hamas can make a deal on these immediate issues, including the hostages, Palestinian prisoners, and what the Israeli military is going to do, how long a ceasefire might last.

But on top of that, you have these much bigger diplomatic questions that are looming over them. And it’s not clear that either side is ready to turn and face those bigger questions.

So while for the Biden administration and for Saudi Arabia, this is a way out of this crisis, these larger diplomatic solutions, it’s not clear that it’s a conversation that the two parties that are actually at war here are prepared to start having.

Well, Michael, thank you very much. We appreciate it.

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If and when Israel and Hamas reach a deal for a cease-fire, the United States will immediately turn to a different set of negotiations over a grand diplomatic bargain that it believes could rebuild Gaza and remake the Middle East.

Michael Crowley, who covers the State Department and U.S. foreign policy for The Times, explains why those involved in this plan believe they have so little time left to get it done.

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Michael Crowley , a reporter covering the State Department and U.S. foreign policy for The New York Times.

Background reading :

Talks on a cease-fire in the Gaza war are once again at an uncertain stage .

Here’s how the push for a deal between Israel and Saudi Arabia looked before Oct. 7 .

From early in the war, President Biden has said that a lasting resolution requires a “real” Palestinian state .

Here’s what Israeli officials are discussing about postwar Gaza.

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